Participants

Christopher Love; Secretary; Ark Restaurants Corp

Michael Weinstein; President, Chief Executive Officer, Director; Ark Restaurants Corp

Anthony Sirica; President, Chief Financial Officer, Director; Ark Restaurants Corp

Samuel Wein; Co-Chief Operating Officer; Ark Restaurants Corp

Peter Katz; Analyst; Herold & Lantern Investments, Inc.

Roger Lipton; Analyst; Lipton Financial Services

Alan Goldberg

Presentation

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Ark Restaurants' second-quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. (Operator instructions) As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
I'll now turn the conference over to your host, Christopher Love, Secretary for Ark Restaurants. Thank you. You may begin.

Christopher Love

Thank you, operator. Good morning and thank you for joining us on our conference call for the second quarter ended March 30, 2024. My name is Christopher Love, and I am the Secretary of Ark Restaurants.
With me on the call today is Michael Weinstein, our Chairman and CEO; and Anthony Sirica, our CFO. For those -- as well as the Sam Weinstein, our Co-COO.
For those of you who have not yet obtained a copy of our press release, it was issued over the newswire yesterday and is available on our website. To review the full text of that press release along with the associated financial tables, please go to our homepage at www.arkrestaurants.com.
Before we begin, however, I'd like to read the Safe Harbor statement. I need to remind everyone that part of our discussion this morning will include forward-looking statements and that these statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore, undue reliance should not be placed on them. We refer everyone to our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission for more detailed discussion of the risks that may have a direct bearing on our operating results, performance, and financial condition.
I'll now turn the call over to Michael.

Michael Weinstein

Hi, everybody. This is a pretty bland quarter in terms of comparisons. It's really easy to outline the differences between this year and last year. Primarily, we did not do well in Florida for the quarter. Some of it affected by weather changes, so that's always a bad excuse. Just headcounts were not where we would like them to be. Vegas did all right but again, we're fighting higher rents with the new lease. New York was pretty good, Alabama was really good, and Washington DC had a bad winter in general.
What we're fighting is obviously higher payrolls, which has been case for a while now, extremely high premiums on liability insurance and property insurance. And that's really it. The results are marred by the fact that we refused to raise prices to levels which we think are attainable. In the long run, we're interested in keeping customer counts, so our prices have to be friendly and those price increases, which were modest that we did put through in restaurants, given the number of headcounts coming through that revenue is not sufficient to make up for the higher cost of labor and to some extent food costs and to a great extent, rents and insurance premiums that have gone up. That's really it.
What we're seeing now is a little bit more favorable the last month or so, the results in Florida are starting to comp better compared to last year. Vegas is steadily over $1 million a week. The goal for us to make up the difference in rent is probably $1.1 million, $1.150 million. We've seen some of those weeks not consistently, but the product carriers really good. The efficiency has improved dramatically on the payroll costs. We have a new food purchasing department that seems to be doing a better job of food cost. So we expect that we'll achieve close to the same cash flow that we had prior to the rent increases during the course of this year. We'll get there.
New York is benefiting from events. The a la carte business is okay, but the event business is really strong, Alabama remains strong. The food costs in Florida are very strong. We just think we're seeing the pickup in demand, and we'll see if that continues. From my point of view, everything seems to be in line in terms of service and quality of the product.
So if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer.

Question and Answer Session

Operator

(Operator instructions)
Peter Katz, Herold & Lantern Investments.

Peter Katz

Any updates on Bryant Park?

Michael Weinstein

So the process has been drawn out and somewhat disappointing in terms of in response to the needs of those people who have made bids. We were all promised and we're finalists in the process. We don't know how many finalists there are. We suspect two or three others beside us. We were promised in October that leases would be forthcoming for everybody to view the lease that will need to be signed. That finally came two weeks ago.
And when I came, it said that the respondents must reply by this Friday. So everybody had waited five months to see what they were going to have to deal with in terms of lease terms and given seven days to respond or eight days to respond. So we responded to that. I don't know what their timetable is on making decisions. We have -- they have not said to anybody that they're going to make a decision by the end of May, the end of June. So we just don't know where the process stands other than we've replied to the lease, and we made some comments. I wish I could tell you more definitively what their process was but I can't. I've been mystified by the process from [day one].

Peter Katz

Does that affect your ability to plan events prospectively?

Michael Weinstein

We've already stopped taking events for 2025 after May 1 of 2025 that's when our lease ends, so if people call -- we will encourage conversations to keep going. But we're not signing any contracts. And we have to inform them that we don't know that we're going to be in possession of the property. I don't think there's too much of that now, but certainly weddings are planned well in advance of 12 months, so that's probably what will first be affected.

Peter Katz

Okay. Different question. Based on your debt and amortization schedules, do you have an expectation what your year-end debt balance might be?

Michael Weinstein

Well, right. Anthony can answer that question. Right now, that's $6 million.

Anthony Sirica

Yeah, year-end balance will be $5.3 million.

Peter Katz

Okay, and (multiple speakers)--

Anthony Sirica

And as a reminder -- just as a reminder, all of the loans have a June 1, '25, balloon payments. So next quarter, everything moves to current.

Peter Katz

And current -- so long-term debt moves from six -- long term to six current, correct?

Anthony Sirica

Correct. Yeah, it will be (multiple speakers)--

Michael Weinstein

-- (multiple speakers) June.

Anthony Sirica

Yeah, as of June 1, everything is due by June 1, '25.

Peter Katz

Got it. And you would most likely look to -- would you refinance that? Is that what your plan is?

Anthony Sirica

Yeah. I mean, we'll start the process of entering into a new credit agreement, probably sometime after the calendar year and rolled into a new deal.

Michael Weinstein

If I can interrupt, Anthony, for a second, we have about $14 million in the banks right now. Some of that represents deposits on future parties. Some is just float of -- but we're going into -- our season, the June quarter and second quarter are our best seasons. We should cash flow substantially for during those periods (multiple speakers)--

Anthony Sirica

Usually build cash (multiple speakers)--

Michael Weinstein

Usually build cash. We have some expenditures to make in Vegas on refurbishing the food court. There are no current projects or purchases that require any capital, so our decisions will be made based upon where the cash stands as well as what future commitments we have. But we're in very strong shape from a cash point of view, going into in our best seasons.

Peter Katz

Great. And again, as you said, your cash cycle is such that you are -- you expect to harvest cash in the second and third quarter as opposed to the (multiple speakers) [first] and fourth quarter where you are paying out bonuses and whatever other adjustments have to be done.

Michael Weinstein

Right, right.

Peter Katz

Okay. Is there anything else to report in terms of new businesses development or --

Michael Weinstein

We look at things -- Sam, you want to talk about [lucky] pay?

Samuel Wein

So we're on in the process of building out a new concept in Las Vegas. It's Asian fast-food concept, a lot of rice bowls and bao buns. We've been putting the brands together for about eight months now. We think that it has potential to roll out a few concepts. So its piloting in New York, New York Hotel in Las Vegas. So that's the only real new concept we have on that, but we're excited about it. And it's set up to be rolled out more as a brand rather than one off. So we should be opening that in the next month or so and we'll see how it goes. And if that's successful, we are definitely looking for new locations to place that in.

Peter Katz

Great. And finally (multiple speakers) go ahead. I'm sorry.

Samuel Wein

No, we have a letter of intent out on the purchase of restaurant, but I think this is something -- with all of these things with the one-off, we're trying to buy the land or we're trying by cash flow, we got very lucky in the first five or six of these that we did. Management stage, sales remained strong. In most cases, profitability increased. And rightly, the last three or four of these deals that we've tried to do and (technical difficulty) pretty much in Florida. One was in Wisconsin that was looked at.
They're trying to sell us something, let's say, at four times cash flow and they have -- in Florida, they have the same problem we've had. Their cash flows disappearing a little bit compared to last year's numbers. So when we go back to renegotiate that becomes a problem for the seller because they are hoping the cash flow will build again, and they'll come back to us at a later date or whatever.
So we're looking at stuff. We just don't -- there always seems to be a fly in the ointment, either with the sellers cash flow performance or in some cases, landlords are often about changing clauses and lease that we need as a public company.
So it's not a lack of effort to try to find things to expand but we're not in control of the landlords or the cash flows of the restaurants that we're looking at. I would tell you that we're more interested -- or I shouldn't say more interested. We are as interested now in trying to build the brand that we can control to have a vehicle to expand the company's cash flow that is as interesting to us as buying cash flow, so.

Peter Katz

And good luck on that endeavor as well.

Michael Weinstein

Thank you.

Peter Katz

I think -- I was just curious, you mentioned having spent a lot of money in the Gallagher's renovation. Has that brought a more upscale traffic? Has there been any conversations with the landlord about that process?

Michael Weinstein

I would tell you that we're now comping against last year's results when Gallagher's was completely open. It's too early to tell whether that business has increased enough to warrant having spent that money. But the answer is we didn't have a choice (multiple speakers) in order to get the lease, we had to commit the spending a little under $2 million.
The real cost was not the amount of money we spent in the restaurant, but having the restaurant closed for 12, 13 weeks (multiple speakers) a great deal of cash flow. The leases is a much steeper lease but what we always thought and to a certain extent, the relationship with MGM requires us to rely on their marketing people who were convinced that we were too far on the price points of other steakhouses and they wanted us to be -- to increase prices to be more like other steakhouses in Vegas.
I can tell you that the product is excellent and we're seeing that in the Yelp reviews now. I mean, most of those reviews have five-star reviews. We had some problems early on because the kitchen was refigured and we probably had the wrong chef when we reopened, but we have -- that's been corrected and the product is excellent.
The real problem is that -- and MGM or New York, New York, put in a new Cirque du Soleil show, but they also putting competition in the park. It's very hard for us to figure out why sales aren't 20% up or some bigger number than we're seeing now. Whether it's competition, which is more expensive than us by the way, but there's no steakhouse attached to the New York, New York property, which was a surprise to us.
Or is the fact of the matter is -- and by the way, the T-Mobile Arena, which is in that same park, is more active than it's ever been and we would suspect that that would be a customer who come to Gallagher's. But the real problem is New York, New York in terms of a property is a middle-income customer and what you're seeing now in general throughout the company, I believe, is if you look at the fast-food courts that we run in Hollywood and Tampa and New York, New York; they're all doing well. They're up -- Tampa, a little less than Hollywood and New York, New York.
But when I look at New York, New York's figures, last week, which the food court was up 12%, 13%, 14% from last year. Sales at the next restaurant that is modestly priced, which is our Burger Bar are down from last year. I think this is a big shift in these properties from high-priced restaurants to lower costs tickets to the customers that aggregate New York, New York. And I must tell you that if you go to Hollywood and I think this is true everywhere, but especially Hollywood. When we built Hollywood out and Tampa, both locations, the location in Hollywood's was moved about two or three years ago when they did the Qatar hotel, they moved us to a new section.
And we said, look, we're going to do fast-food, but we want the quality to be restaurant quality, not fast-food quality. And all of a sudden, you have really great food in terms of what customer expectations are and the price points in full-service restaurants in the Hollywood Casino are steep. And so I think there's a migration from full-service restaurants to our fast-food courts where we are in the properties we're in. It speaks well of the quality of product and the fast-food, but it doesn't speak well to the price points in the full-service restaurants.
And my question in my mind always is how much is that limiting Gallagher's ability to really comp much better from the prior and prior to the renovation to now. So we have competition on one hand, but we do have T-Mobile Arena doing more business or having more dates when something's going on. We also have a show which we didn't have right next to Gallagher's.
So I think those are positives but the negatives are the price point than the customer. We don't see well-heeled customer. So maybe confusing in terms of an answer, but it's confusing to us to see how we're doing. What we know we're doing well is the customers that are walking into the place are really enjoying it because the reviews are quite good.
Any other questions, please?

Operator

Roger Lipton, Lipton Financial.

Roger Lipton

Could you describe -- I didn't quite get that description of the new prototype of your building in New York, New York. Could Sam describe it a little further for us?

Samuel Wein

Sure. It's a quick service Chipotle style setup. It's an Asian concept. It's rice bowls. It's bao buns and we're starting small. It's just three different ingredients. We have a beef, a pork, and a chicken option and a vegetarian option. And it's essentially rice bowls, bao buns, and boba tea. Boba tea has been -- become very popular. We've been seeing a lot of success in other spots in Las Vegas and other areas that we've been looking at. So we're trying to build this little concept that puts both of them together and then we're also making our own freshly baked mochi donuts, so that's pretty much the gist of it.

Roger Lipton

Okay. And what do you think it might have (multiple speakers)--

Samuel Wein

Sorry?

Roger Lipton

Is it going to be a food court?

Samuel Wein

Yes, it's going to be in the New York, New York hotel food court.

Roger Lipton

Okay. And when do you think you'll be getting that started?

Samuel Wein

End of June. It's looking like -- we're about to start construction now.

Roger Lipton

Got it. Okay. Good. And Michael, is there anything at all new in terms of the casino -- downstate casino discussions? I mean, I see periodic reports in the press, but you're probably watching it more closely than we are? Any movement at all in terms of that?

Michael Weinstein

Again, it's the opinion of my partners in the deal who are substantially -- have substantially more equity in the deal than we do that you can't move forward with a referendum in New Jersey until you have downstate casinos and that requires licenses, and the process in New York has been slow. There is a lot of activity that you read about the proposals of related and others. And now I guess (inaudible) is in there since they bought the [chunk] property in the Bronx.
Certainly, Yonkers is in there and Aqueduct is in there and Venetian (inaudible) so there are a lot of proposals, I guess, could be analyzed. The sale is basically said we need more time. So until those licenses are issued and I'm pretty sure everybody pretty much agrees that Yonkers and Aqueduct will be two of the three recipients. The good thing about Aqueduct and Yonkers is they get a license; they could be in business in 60 days.
And I think that pushes Jersey to start to draft a resolution for a referendum that needs to be -- needs a public vote. But if you look at the other side and the question's been asked all the time by investors and are what is Jersey waiting for? I mean, we basically -- the Meadowlands LLC -- New Meadowlands LLC, which is the holding company that runs the Meadowlands Racetrack now. We've committed a guarantee of $500 million a year to the state. What are they waiting for? But the reality is they're waiting.

Roger Lipton

So in terms of -- waiting -- really waiting on -- as it's been waiting in New York. You don't have any new feedback that maybe New York is going to really come to grips with this thing in the short term.

Michael Weinstein

--(multiple speakers) We read the same thing -- we read the same articles in newspapers that you read.

Roger Lipton

Okay. So you might be paying a little closer attention than I can, but whatever do the best you can, you can't control it. Obviously, it's just a question what you're observing.
All right. Thanks very much. Look forward to seeing you guys soon.

Operator

Alan Goldberg, Private Investor.

Alan Goldberg

And I was calling to see if there was any update on the Meadowlands. But since that's already been asked, I wanted to tell you that I think you are maneuvering very well through this tough time. I know this is not what you want to hear, but in Chicago, I went to Maggiano's last night for dinner and they had 19 patrons while I was having my dinner and that shocked me. And I asked them how things were going. They say actually what you see tonight is as an anomaly. We have been so busy here and not even barring Mother's Day. They said their price points seems to be very, very good. And I think most of our price points are very, very competitive and everybody wants results yesterday and we -- you and I met, it's certainly more than five years ago, we were a little younger. And I'm very pleased with what you're doing. I think you're moving in the right direction.
You may say under your breath or in silence My God, he's crazy, but I'm not crazy. People are eating out more and more and more. The problem that's hurting. Look, if McDonald's is telling you, they're slowing down because of people are concerned about money, I agree. I think it hurts all restaurants, but I also noticed nobody seems to care they give the credit card and they just don't care. Again, I'm not teaching you your business. I know absolutely nothing about it, except I enjoy your restaurants.
But I think we should continue doing what you've been doing. Look -- as you said, look for places that are reasonable to us. This whole industry is going to change. The world is changing. We've got a major election coming as we all -- I'm not teaching you economics. That's my field. But I think you're doing the right thing. And as you know, or you may not remember, I ran a hedge fund for a number of years and you look for things that are going to take place in the next three to five years. That's how a good investor should invest. And I'm very pleased with the way you're running it. And the people -- with you that I don't know but I just want to tell you, it's a pleasure hearing your voice. Thank you for taking my call. Thank you. If you ever have any questions of me, I'm always there for you, and thank you so much. Thank you for the meetings. Good luck to all of -- everybody, all of us and thank you.

Michael Weinstein

Thank you, Alan.

Operator

(Operator instructions)
I'm showing no other questions at this time. Mr. Weinstein, I'll turn the floor back to you for any final comments.

Michael Weinstein

Well, thank you all for joining us, and we'll speak to you at the end of the next quarter.

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.